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Re: Linux Hater, Bryan Lunduke, and Freedom

Silvernode — Wed, 20 Oct 2010 06:00:33 -0000

Gnu is toolset and structure and Linux is the brain. I guess we can say everything is GNU/Linux or we can say Debian Linux or Redhat Linux or Arch Linux. Fact is I agree with acknowledging GNU and free software but the fact is Linux is a much cooler and easier name and sadly that's all people care about.

Re: Linux Hater, Bryan Lunduke, and Freedom

Dai — Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:43:10 -0000

Sorry I disagree with you. Try using a program that's not in the repo or running a newer one if you use Ubuntu LTS and you can have all sort of problems with trying to install it. So freedom should also mean that I can go and get any any program I want and just install it and use it. That's freedom from a users perspective. Guess what Linux sucks at this!

Re: Linux Hater, Bryan Lunduke, and Freedom

Bob — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:55:46 -0000

Actually, the opinion of the GNU/Linux desktop "sucking" is subjective. When Lunduke makes the assertion that "Desktop Linux sucks", it means that Lunduke's opinion of desktop Linux is that it sucks for him personally as he cannot make the argument that "desktop Linux sucks for everybody full stop".

Re: Linux Hater, Bryan Lunduke, and Freedom

Bob — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:58:54 -0000

The GNU Project was launched in 1984 to develop a complete Unix-like operating system which is free software: the GNU system. By 1991, the GNU system was nearly complete as it was lacking one critical component: the OS kernel. During that time, Linus Torvalds wrote and published a free OS kernel and it was named Linux. Some people then had the bright idea of combining the GNU system together with the Linux system to form a complete system.

Today, we ask people to recognise both GNU's and Linux's contribution to the system as they are the **two most fundamental** components of the GNU/Linux system. It is fine if you wish to recognise other software that may be distributed in a GNU/Linux system, but don't forget the two fundamental components which are GNU and Linux.

Re: Linux Hater, Bryan Lunduke, and Freedom

Penguin Pete — Thu, 21 May 2009 13:10:51 -0000

Well, hiya, TH! Long time no see! Still campaigning for Ron Paul, chasing down 9/11 inside jobs, bowing to your mentor Helios, and ranting about my site under weird color-filtered imitations of my logo?

Respect, man! Even if we don't get along, I respect somebody who sticks to their guns like you do. You're not a troll! You're deluded, possibly suffering from a disorder.

Lunduke? Jerk and troll. Desktop Linux does not suck, "sucking" is an extremely objective opinion, title deliberately phrased so as to call attention by provoking anger. Criticism is phrased destructively instead of constructively. Dictionary definition of troll, with jerk icing.

Re: Linux Hater, Bryan Lunduke, and Freedom

Giuseppe Maggiore — Thu, 21 May 2009 12:00:36 -0000

Man, try doing the post again by including quotes that substantiate your claims about LH's views. It might sound less generic and vacuous...

Peace

Re: Linux Hater, Bryan Lunduke, and Freedom

Aronzak — Thu, 21 May 2009 08:58:43 -0000

Oh, get over it. This issue is dead and buried and you should just accept that you've lost. All distributions bar debian are advertised just as "linux", and that is the term for all of Wikipedia, bar the "alternative name" page.

Do you have any clue what most users want or need? How about less jargon, and less bitckering for a start.

Re: Linux Hater, Bryan Lunduke, and Freedom

JakeDTH — Thu, 21 May 2009 08:15:31 -0000

I think that GNU/Linux being more like Windows would destroy GNU/Linux. I think GNU/Linux needs to be more like a new advanced user-friendly version of Unix, which it pretty much already is, but it might never stop improving, like all software, which is a good thing.

Lunduke isn't a jerk, he is just brainwashed. Look at any "Linux" website, linux.org, linux.com, etc., each makes GNU/Linux out as being created my Linus Torvalds, GNU/Linux called "Linux", an entire operating system, GCC, gLibc, GNOME, KDE, Xfce, etc., etc., all imitated my Linus Torvalds. Untrue. And there isn't any mentions to the GNU Project, besides that of the GNU General Public License.

It's unfair, it's evil is what it is.

Re: Linux Hater, Bryan Lunduke, and Freedom

anonymous — Thu, 21 May 2009 07:01:37 -0000

Hey, that Lunduke guy need to make some news to stay in the limelight, give him some slack.

As to his choice of rpm, well he's american so gnome (therefore gstreamer) and rpm sticks.

Okay, let the flame begins :D

Re: Linux Hater, Bryan Lunduke, and Freedom

Thomas Holbrook II — Thu, 21 May 2009 06:46:37 -0000

Wow. Then again, I shouldn't be surprised, should I? Just because Lunduke doesn't think like you makes him a troll? Dude, just accept the fact that not everyone thinks like you.

Re: Linux Hater, Bryan Lunduke, and Freedom

Bill Goldberg — Thu, 21 May 2009 05:31:30 -0000

The Linux vs GNU/Linux thing is old. Nobody uses that anymore, no matter how much Stallman wants it.

Re: Linux Hater, Bryan Lunduke, and Freedom

JakeDTH — Thu, 21 May 2009 05:28:15 -0000

Yes, there is always room for improvement. GNU/Linux isn't at it's prime. Think about what Unix is. Now add to it the thousands of contributions made freely by whoever. GNU/Linux is the best in my opinion, but, GNU/Linux can become the greatest operating system in everyone's opinions. Once it is stable in the sense where no matter what you do, you can't break the system, and user friendly enough where when it is pretty screwed up, any user can fix it, it will be the most advanced operating system ever.

Re: Linux Hater, Bryan Lunduke, and Freedom

JakeDTH — Thu, 21 May 2009 05:21:35 -0000

Good point. And yeah, it is as simple as this, saying "Linux Sucks" just isn't and cannot be a fact.

Re: Linux Hater, Bryan Lunduke, and Freedom

JakeDTH — Thu, 21 May 2009 05:19:35 -0000

But, the GNU operating system is the base of development, in terms of the licenses and in terms of utilities(such as GCC/etc..) The X Server guys are contributing to the GNU operating system, not the Linux kernel. Well maybe somewhat the Linux kernel, but definitely not the majority of their contributions.

Re: Linux Hater, Bryan Lunduke, and Freedom

del toro — Thu, 21 May 2009 03:59:10 -0000

one word... "ATTENTION!"

where everybody wants a piece, and Yes that includes you!

Re: Linux Hater, Bryan Lunduke, and Freedom

Penguin Pete — Wed, 20 May 2009 20:42:13 -0000

My first time seeing your site, and you seem like you're starting out, so: I used to do the same thing you're doing here. And then I figured out that return-fire is what the trolls feed on. A site actually *named* "Linux-hater" calls for little else but a light-hearted laugh whenever it comes off, and a jaunty dismissal.

Then we have "Why Desktop Linux Sucks, and What We Can Do About It" - I'm sorry to hear that such a ludicrous travesty was made out of something called "Linuxfest". But anyway, Bryan Lunduke is yet another jerk, by virtue of giving a talk with a title like that.

The only thing Linux is "doing wrong" is not being a globe-conquering corporate monopoly. If it was one, it would have millions of dollars to spin marketing and, through the magic of group-think, Linux on the desktop would *be* the standard, against which other systems fail to measure up.

People who say Linux sucks because it isn't like Windows are saying that a wrench sucks because it makes a lousy spoon. People who say Linux could be more popular by being more like Windows might as well say that their daughter would be more popular if they had her sleep with every man in town.

It goes on and on... heard it all before. Don't think that these trolls matter for anything but carbon sinks.

Re: Linux Hater, Bryan Lunduke, and Freedom

Richard Chapman — Wed, 20 May 2009 20:27:43 -0000

I watched Lunduke's presentation with much interest. I believe he made some valid points. I didn't realize at the time that he was one half of the "Linux Action Show". I stopped listening to that show when they bad mouthed the GPL3. I still think he shouldn't be dismissed outright. Linux and GNU/Linux will always need to be improved. As far as I'm concerned it's ready for every desktop in the World right now.

There is one aspect of "improvement" that I believe is fundamentally wrong and if pursued will lead to a complete loss of everything that makes GNU/Linux great. That is the concept of: Make Linux like Windows and it will be as popular as Windows. BZZZZZT, wrong! Make Linux like Windows and it will be Windows. We already have that and it has been proven beyond any doubt to be a total disaster.

Re: Linux Hater, Bryan Lunduke, and Freedom

Adolf "Godwin's Law" Hitler — Wed, 20 May 2009 20:21:16 -0000

Nice article. I completely forgot about that site for a while, used to visit it for a good laugh once a week. The site should have a slogan like:

"Linux Hater's Blog: Proof that it really IS better for people keep their mouth shut and appear stupid, than to talk about something and remove all doubt."

Of course I didn't stop visiting it because there's anything wrong with it, no. Well everybody is entitled to their opinion which is where that blog stands - they're opinions and nothing more, not researched facts. I would feel sorry for whoever believes in what he/she/it is says.

I only stopped visiting it when the blog claimed to stop posting new articles by "disappearing from the internet by dropping off the earth in true (open source) fashion." Good! At least you didn't follow the proprietary/non-free method that "Linux hater" apparently uses, of being bought out by a larger company and literally sucking yourself to death from producing now-inferior quality software.

It is also funny to note how the site he/she/it uses is running in GNU/Linux anyway.

http://toolbar.netcraft.com...

(and his/her/its DSL Modem/router too)

Re: Linux Hater, Bryan Lunduke, and Freedom

Alan — Wed, 20 May 2009 17:38:42 -0000

Creating a standard is not the same as taking away freedom. A standard is something that any developer is free to ignore or extend if they find it lacking.

Pick any standard you like. ODF? Is it taking away freedom to have a document standard? What if I want my application to save in its own unique file format? Guess what, I still can, but in the process I have taken away someone else's freedom to edit or view his documents in whatever program he wants.

Someday there will be a "desktop GNU/Linux" standard. It will either be an open standard that forms by consensus of major projects and distros but maintained independently of all of them; or it will be a de facto standard centered around whatever distro becomes most popular. Which would be your preference? Which one will promote freedom and technical excellence?

Re: Linux Hater, Bryan Lunduke, and Freedom

mooduino — Wed, 20 May 2009 17:36:11 -0000

We all know it's _really_ GNU/Linux, but that name sucks and isn't any more accurate (remember the X Server guys, why do they get left out?), so we call it Linux, and people know what we mean.

Re: Linux Hater, Bryan Lunduke, and Freedom

Khalid Yousif — Wed, 20 May 2009 17:34:53 -0000

Hey Jacob,

What you've said is correct 100%, and that's what I am saying always to my fellow colleagues.

Great Post, I liked it personally.

Thanks,

Khalid :)